Although his plans for citizens' juries to sort out Brexit are interesting, we’ve got our issues with Rory Stewart. But take a listen to him trying to talks sense into a typical “WTO, let’s go“ hard Brexiter on the BBC’s World At One, and your estimation of him will rocket.

Coffee tariffs and orange tariffs and zero tariffs oh my! Chris in conversation with Twitter trade legend and man of mystery, Jim Cornelius, self-made walking encyclopedia of all things tariff-related, and scourge of so-called liberal leavers everywhere.

This week on the Brexit podcast for the reality-based community… The “staggering economic illiteracy” of Brexit cheerleader Prof Patrick Minford. Will civil servants come to Britain’s rescue? Why the European Free Trade Association Court is “less boring than it sounds”.

What do Chris and Steve A do while Steve B is away? Get stuck in to some proper trade nerdery, that's what. We discuss how the UK can realise its global trade ambitions, whether EU trade deals can be rolled over, and what a unilateral zero tariff regime would do to the country's bank balance. Rock & roll!

Steve and Chris record a pilot of their new podcast, CakeWatch. Issues covered: Nadine Dorries and misogyny; a weaponised civil service; Customs Union cakeism; the BBC; and #lieoftheweek coffee protectionism.